Montana Rarities is based in the beautiful city of Missoula, Montana and is dedicated to helping people protect their savings by owning and keeping precious metals.
We started out selling on Ebay as mtrarities. Although it is a great venue we were looking for ways to expand our offerings and market, and auctions are sometimes not the best format.
The internet is an amazing tool enabling communication and trade between millions of people who would never otherwise be able to meet in a traditional face-to-face setting, but it can also be an intimidating place filled with unscrupulous characters.
We want you to feel confident in your dealings with us. If you have any questions email or call. Check out our Ebay feedback, and reviews at ResellerRatings.com to see what people have to say about our honesty, reliability and service.
We hope that you will make Montana Rarities your "Local coin shop on the Internet". By operating as a virtual store we keep overhead low and our focus stays on serving our customers.
Thank you.
Mark Haythornthwaite Owner
Contact information
By mail: Montana Rarities P.O. Box 1221, Missoula, MT 59806
By phone: 406.396.9468 (between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. Mountain Time, Mon-Sat)
We only sell what we have in stock, no back orders. Orders received before noon usually ship the same day, otherwise by the next business day. If there is a delay we will contact you and explain why.
Purchases over $500 require extra steps to complete. To help prevent fraud we will take steps to verify your identity and make sure you actually placed the order, while online orders in excess of $2,000 will be held for a minimum of 24 hours to allow Paypal time to complete their required fraud checks.
We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause, and hope you understand this is to reduce the risks associated with identity theft and credit card fraud.
We ship exclusively using the United States Postal Service. The first table is for insured First Class or Priority Mail shipments up to $1,300, and Registered Mail over that. Registered Mail is slow (5-10 business days for delivery) but charges less for the insurance.
If you want faster delivery on orders over $1,300 choose Priority at checkout, the shipping will be more expensive because of the higher insurance charges.
The second table shows the Priority delivery charges.
All orders go out with Delivery Confirmation.
Regular Shipping Charges
Order Value
Shipping
Up to $50.00
$3.79
$50.01 to $100.00
$5.45
$100.01 to $200.00
$7.25
$200.01 to $300.00
$9.45
$300.01 to $400.00
$11.15
$400.01 to $500.00
$12.65
$500.01 to $600.00
$14.15
$600.01 to $700.00
$15.65
$700.01 to $800.00
$17.15
$800.01 to $900.00
$18.55
$900.01 to $1,000.00
$19.75
$1,000.01 to $1,100.00
$20.85
$1,100.01 to $1,200.00
$21.95
$1,200.01 to $1,300.00
$23.05
$1,300.01 to $2,000.00
$24.15
$2,000.01 to $3,000.00
$25.25
$3,000.01 to $4,000.00
$26.85
Over $4,000
Actual USPS charges*
Priority Shipping Charges
Order Value
Shipping
Up to $1,300.00
Same as above
$1,300.01 to $1,400.00
$24.15
$1,400.01 to $1,500.00
$25.25
$1,500.01 to $1,600.00
$26.35
$1,600.01 to $1,700.00
$27.45
$1,700.01 to $1,800.00
$28.55
$1,800.01 to $1,900.00
$29.65
$1,900.01 to $2,000.00
$30.75
$2,000.01 to $2,100.00
$31.85
$2,100.01 to $2,200.00
$32.95
$2,200.01 to $2,300.00
$34.05
$2,300.01 to $2,400.00
$35.15
$2,400.01 to $2,500.00
$36.25
$2,500.01 to $2,600.00
$37.35
$2,600.01 to $2,700.00
$38.45
$2,700.01 to $2,800.00
$39.55
$2,800.01 to $2,900.00
$40.65
$2,900.01 to $3,000.00
$41.75
$3,000.01 to $3,100.00
$42.85
$3,100.01 to $3,200.00
$43.95
$3,200.01 to $3,300.00
$45.05
$3,300.01 to $3,400.00
$46.15
$3,400.01 to $3,500.00
$47.25
$3,500.01 to $3,600.00
$48.35
$3,600.01 to $3,700.00
$49.45
$3,700.01 to $3,800.00
$50.55
$3,800.01 to $3,900.00
$51.65
$3,900.01 to $4,000.00
$52.75
Over $4,000
Actual USPS charges*
*Online credit card purchase limit is $4,000.00, shipping charges on large cash/money order/bank wire orders will be calculated at time of order.
Q. Why are your prices so much higher than the official "spot" price?
The spot price is set by paper trading on the commodities exchanges, not by physical metal in the real world. It is a number subject to manipulation by speculators who never touch the metal, trading contracts for 100 oz of gold and 5000 oz of silver that they never intend to take delivery of. If you want to take delivery of a silver contract there are many hurdles, people try all the time and the exchange makes it difficult to do, when delivery is made silver is supplied in random weight bars of between 950 and 1050 troy ounces.
It is a number used as a negotiating tool by huge corporations who sign purchase agreements for millions of oz a year for industrial or jewelery use.
We mostly sell 1, 5 and 10oz silver bullion and 1oz gold coins, the so-called "retail" products. It costs more to make those, as well as for shipping and packing costs etc. Do you ask why bread costs so much when wheat is only $5 a bushel on the commodities exchange? The comparison is very similar.
Many precious metals investors believe the markets are being manipulated, and the "real world" price is higher because nobody is willing to sell bullion at the spot prices. In order for transactions (a market) to occur there have to be willing sellers, and they appear to be willing to sell only at prices well above spot. There also have to be buyers willing to pay those prices, and chronic shortages of precious metals prove that there are plenty of willing buyers right now.
Q. Is gold a good investment?
Buying precious metals carries risk, and prices can go down. There are no guarantees, prices fluctuate according to investor whim, the economy and Central Bank decisions. That being said, the Federal Reserve appears determined to destroy the US Dollar for some strange reason. Gold is not an "investment", it is real money, a form of savings. While the price of gold fluctuates when priced in Dollars, the amount of gold does not. It will never be worthless- can you say the same about your shares of Enron or Washington Mutual? We at Montana Rarities have decided to put our savings into Gold, a trusted store of wealth and widely accepted money for over 5,000 years.
Q. What about silver?
Silver usually follows the pricing movement of Gold, but with a twist. Silver is a very important industrial metal that in many applications is consumed and lost forever.
It is estimated that over 98% of all the Gold ever mined is still available for use. Not so with silver.
If not for newly mined silver industrial consumption would have already caused prices to sky-rocket, but mining output cannot keep up with demand. An estimated 150 million ounces per year are being used from above-ground stockpiles, and one day prices will have to reflect that reality.
If we have a positive recovery in the economy demand for Silver (and Copper, Lead and Zinc) will increase, driving the price much higher than what will result from investor demand alone. Ironically, when the economy is foundering and less base metals are being mined, silver mining also declines as most silver is produced as a by-product of mining for copper, lead and zinc!
Q. What is "junk silver"?
First off, "Junk silver" is not junk! Coin dealers refer to pre-1965 dimes, quarters and half dollars as junk silver only to differentiate them from numismatic collectibles. These coins were minted from 90% silver, and for each $1 face value there was 0.7234 troy ounces of silver when the coins were new. Allowing for wear, the industry accepted practice is to figure 0.715 troy oz.
"Junk silver" is not sold by weight, but by face value ($5, $10, $100 and $1,000 being the most common increments).
In 1965 silver was removed completely from Quarters and Dimes, and dropped to 40% in Kennedy Half Dollars until 1969. There is 0.296 troy oz of silver for each $1 in 40% Halves, and these usually sell for a very low premium.
Since 1970 only special issue coins contain any silver, some Eisenhower Dollar Uncirculated and Proofs were 40% until 1976 (none in 1975) and special proof coins since 1992 have been struck in 90% silver.
Q. What about collectible gold coins? What's the deal with gold confiscation?
A lot of nationally advertised dealers will push pre-1933 U.S. Gold coins, and like to point out that the government confiscated gold in 1933 but exempted collectible coins. They hint that it might happen again, but if you buy their numismatic gold offerings you will be safe.
I call BS. In 1933 Gold WAS money. The Federal Government confiscated the people's gold to keep the government solvent- it was an emergency measure. It also had the benefit (from the Federal Reserve's point of view) of severing the link between gold and paper, allowing unfettered inflation of the currency. Gold is no longer legal tender money so there would be no actual purpose or reason to try confiscation again (unless the government decides to confiscate other kinds of savings like IRA and 401(k) accounts).
That said, collectible coins are pieces of history and have appreciated much faster than bullion, so there is nothing wrong with having some in your portfolio. That is why we offer them, plus they are just so beautiful.
When we talk about a coin being "slabbed" it refers to the coin having been examined by a skilled coin grader for evaluation, then sealed in a tamper-resistant holder with the assigned grade on a label, usually with a serial number and some kind of hologram or other recognizable feature that certifies its authenticity. There are many organizations that grade coins, not all of them are honest or accurate. The best are PCGS, NGC, ANACS and ICG.
When we list coins that have not been professionally graded I will attempt to give a ballpark idea of the condition of the coins. I try to be conservative in my grading, and have been told that it is fair. However, I am not a professional coin grader and accept no liability for inaccurate grades. Please look carefully at the photos, Email me if you have questions or would like additional pictures. Unless otherwise stated in the product description, photos are of the actual coins being offered for sale.
Q. Do you collect sales taxes?
We live and work in Montana. Montana has no sales tax, and so we do not charge sales taxes. If you live in a state that charges sales tax on precious metals transactions then you will save money buying from us.
If certain states get their way and reach a sales tax agreement to force businesses in their state to collect taxes for sales to other states in a big reciprocal deal, we are confident that Montana will not be part of it.
Q. Do you keep records on what your customers buy?
Buying precious metals is a private matter. We will never keep track of what you purchased. Quite frankly, it is none of our business (well, it is our business... but you know what we mean).
Q. Do you offer "pooled accounts" or metals storage? NO!!! When you buy precious metals you should always take delivery. No exceptions! Some big-name dealers offer so-called pooled accounts at lower metal prices. Well, if you are buying the exact same bullion items that could be delivered to you how can it be cheaper to not have it delivered? The only price difference should be shipping costs- which you would pay separately anyway.
Ignoring that quirk, there have been many spectacular collapses involving companies that did not actually have the metals that were shown on customer statements leaving them with nothing. Likewise if you are buying for financial security, what is the point of having it stored somewhere else? It could be the most secure of blue-chip securities companies, but in a crisis how sure are you that you can take possession of your property? When buying precious metals always take delivery.
Q. Why are your prices higher than online dealer XXX ?
A lot of those dealers have very high minimum orders (or Handling Fees- see the next FAQ). Not everyone is in a position to buy large amounts at one time, that is why we are here. Our minimum order is 1 of anything we offer for sale. However we do offer volume discounts if you want to purchase a large amount, prices on this site are for 1 oz of gold and up to 39 oz of silver (except for 100 oz bars, those are obviously priced based on the quantity of silver in them).
Discounts apply for mix and match purchases, but cannot be automatically calculated on the web store, so please contact us so we can calculate your savings.
If you are considering a large purchase please contact us by phone at 406.396.9468 or Email before you place that order with someone else. If we can't beat their prices we will happily recommend reputable dealers.
Q. Do you charge Handling Fees?
Other dealers might appear to have lower prices, but a "Handling Charge" of 4% gets added on during checkout, or they charge $40 for shipping. Our prices are all you pay and our shipping charges are calculated based on actual USPS postage plus insurance.
Q. Why don't you use UPS or FedEx?
Both UPS and FedEx will not cover precious metals or rare coins for loss or damage during shipping. They limit their liability to $1,000, only the United States Post Office offers up to $25,000 of insurance coverage per package.
Q. Do you offer discounts for cash? Yes. If you use Checkout your purchase is completed by credit card (or Paypal). Transaction fees are a major cost, so if you want to pay by check or wire transfer we offer a 3.5% discount. Every product listing shows both the credit card and cash prices. See Paying by Check or Wire Transfer for more details.
All quotes for cash prices are good only for a limited time. For mailed payments the envelope MUST be postmarked by the following day. For orders large enough to require wire transfer the payment must be sent the same day. Payments sent late may, at our discretion, be returned. If prices have increased and your payment was mailed 2 days late you can count on it being refused.
Q. Do you make substitutions?
Maybe. The only time we would consider it is if we are out of generic rounds, we might ship a brand name round instead.
Q. Do you have everything in stock?
If we are out descriptions will show "This item currently out of stock!". We don't sell things then make you wait for delivery. It is possible that an inventory error may allow you to purchase something that is in fact unavailable, but it is a rare situation. We will contact you if it happens.
Q. Do you have a physical store?
No. We have an office and a website. We do not want to have to invest in a high-tech security system (or a Rottweiler) so please don't ask us where the office is.
LEGAL NOTICE: You should make your own decisions and be responsible for them, I can not be held responsible for losses incurred if you hide your silver in some clever place that turns out to be stupid. If any advice here is wrong, illegal or just dumb, DON'T FOLLOW IT!!!
OK, legal disclaimers aside, here are some ideas:
A good choice is a private vault company. Like a bank, these companies offer secure safe deposit boxes. Unlike a bank they do not have to follow the Federal banking rules (as long as the rent is paid you can call yourself Mr. Smith, while banks require you to prove your identity). A bank safe deposit is fine, but you should be aware that banks have to co-operate with legal authorities. If a judgment is entered against you then you may find your box sealed, if you use a private vault company with an alias that makes your property a little harder to find.
Another option is to rent a small unit at an indoor mini-storage facility. I mean the type where all the units are inside a multi-story building and accessed by internal corridors, anyone following you cannot see which unit you are going into from outside. If you can, pay for the rental with cash, and don't forget to pay the rent each month! The facility should have card/code secured gates, and preferably alarmed unit doors. Put some boxes of books and broken vacuum cleaners in there and nobody will suspect that there is a box of silver behind that.
Use your imagination, and you could keep them in your home. People have used old paint cans in the garage, gunsafes, underneath floorboards, in attics. If you hide your metals in a foolproof spot make sure you leave a note for yourself (or your family) in a safe place, and be careful about throwing out those old paint cans! Homeowner's insurance does not usually cover precious metals or rare coins (firearms, fur coats and jewelry too) over $1,000. You either have to go without coverage, or pay extra on these items. Read your policy carefully or talk to your agent.